Tuesday, May 09, 2006

Barry Bonds and 713

I want Barry Bonds to pass Babe Ruth. I've made the argument a number of times -- Barry Bonds allegedly taking steroids, especially in an era when such use was rampant, and when they were not banned, no more warps his run for 714 than the fact that the Babe never faced black pitchers or outfielders or catchers who undoubtedly would have diminished his numbers. By how much we have no idea. But if that argument is good for Ruth, it is also good for Bonds. We do not know the effect that steroids have had on his numbers and we never will.


One of the main ways that critics of Bonds have concocted to counter the "steroids were not banned" argument is by asserting "yes, but they were illegal." On a number of occasions I have countered that response by pointing out that the 1986 Mets were as coked up as Tony Montana, and I have not yet heard an outcry to grant the Red Sox the 1986 World Series title. But forget the peripheral analogy. Let's be more explicit.


One cannot read, watch or hear anything about Babe Ruth these days without references to his lifestyle. And in those references we always hear about how he lived large. Babe Ruth loved to eat. He loved women. He loved alcohol. But here is the thing: Among the women he loved were a good number of prostitutes. Prostitution was illegal then as now. (Ask the ghost of heavyweight Jack Johnson about prostitutes if you want a perspective on how some athletes could get caught up in the legal system for consorting with hookers. By the way, Jack Johnson was black. Have I pointed out that had he been a baseball pitcher of comparable talent he never would have been able to strike out Babe Ruth?) Oh, and alcohol? In the 1920s? I'll let you complete the thought. But let's just say that steroid use never prompted a successful Constitutional Amendment allowing for their prohibition.


So enough on the illegality of Bonds' steroid use being in and of itself sufficient to make him unworthy of as player whose very reputation was predicated on blithely breaking the law, and whose numbers are inflated by the fact that he did not get to face some of the best players of his era. We can talk if and when Bonds approaches Henry Aaron's record. Until then, I am more than happy to have the greatest player I have ever seen (and, if you are younger than 40, the greatest player you have ever seen too) pass the Sultan of Strumpets.

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

Couldnt agree more Dcat. Although I never knew Babe's women were prostitutes, or that the 86 Mets were coked out.

dcat said...

dcat is not only entertaining, it is also educational.

Thunderstick said...

The Yankees suck.

Just wanted to make sure everyone knows.

Anonymous said...

It should be noted, though, that what prohibition actually prohibited was the mass production, distribution, and sales (but not consumption) of alcohol.

Go Barry!

dcat said...

Actually Prohibition did not prohibit anything. The Prohibition Amendment allowed Congress to pass a law doing that, which it dids with the Volstead Act, and which was reinforced by many, many state and local laws also outlawing possession and consumption.

dcat said...

Oh, and it goes without saying that the Thunderstick is so very, very right.

dc

g_rob said...

Stupid Juan Pierre!

dcat said...

Yeah, that was bad luck coupled with good D. Oh well -- I want 714 and 715 to be no doubters. I want people maiming one another in McCovey Cove (which, really, ought to be Barry's Bay) to get to that ball.

dcat

Thunderstick said...

I completely agree with dcat's post here. I can't say that I'm rooting for Bonds to beat Babe because frankly I don't care who is number two on this list, but I don't think people should be up in arms saying that Bonds wasn't playing with a full deck, when we all know that the Babe wasn't either, not having to face black pitchers.

That said, I'm not rooting for Bonds to break Aaron's record and it has nothing to do with steroids. I don't want him to break it because he's a jerk. When I see Aaron interviewed about this subject he is humble, understands the enormous place this record holds in the history of the game and appreciates and respects everything that it means to that history and to people who love the game. Bonds is an egocentric jerk who I've never felt plays baseball for any other reason than the $$$ and to have others tell him how great he is. I'd like to be alive to see this record broken, but I want to root for the guy to do it and all I can root for when it comes to Bonds is for a blown out knee so that he'll just go away.

And the Yankees still suck

dcat said...

Rich -- given that he WROTE that, I am going to assume that the problem is not that you cannot hear, but rather that you are a Yankees fan, so you are just retarded, and simply cannot understand. You hear with your ears, Giambijetertard.

dcat